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90322 J Burton, 78th Battery, RFA 4 years 8 months ago #64935

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90322 J Burton, 78th Battery, RFA 4 years 8 months ago #64936

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Thank you for the information djb. Would you kindly confirm my recently-acquired (from Google!) understanding of the significance of the medals and clasps he is wearing in the photo?

The medal worn on the left (as the viewer sees it) is the Queen’s SA medal and it appears to have three clasps, yet your source indicates that he was entitled to wear four. Any suggestion as to why one is missing?

That on the right is the King’s SA medal, with two clasps. The two clasps on the KSA ribbon are “South Africa 1901” and “South Africa 1902”; the presence of the latter indicating that Burton was still serving in South Africa potentially to 31 May 1902, but perhaps with a different battery. On his marriage certificate, dated 20 September 1902, his profession is given as Labourer, so he must have been discharged some time between Jan - Aug 1902. Is it possible that he was discharged as unfit for service due to his wound?

The two good conduct stripes show that he served at least 6 years and possibly as long as (nearly) nine years. Would this be his total length of service with RFA, perhaps indicating that he contracted to serve for seven years?

Sorry for all of the questions: I’m learning as I go with this!

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90322 J Burton, 78th Battery, RFA 4 years 8 months ago #64944

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Geoff,

You are absolutely correct about the medals. The 3 clasps on his QSA have been troubling me because, given the clasps he earned, his medal should include all 4. There are cases where one or two clasps were sent separately but this is not one of those cases. I have just double checked the roll and confirmed there are 4 clasps listed.

You can read the eligibility criteria for the medals here: www.angloboerwar.com/medals-and-awards/b...s-south-africa-medal

In the book section on the site are many works that describe the fighting in the relief of Ladysmith. A good place to start is chapters 15, 16 and 17 from The Great Boer War: www.angloboerwar.com/books/40-conan-doyl...chapter-15-spion-kop

It is possible that he was discharged due to his wound. Many men were invalided in this way.

The 78th served in South Africa until the end of hostilities so my inability to locate his QSA is unexpected. I will have another look today and see if I can locate his KSA.

Is there any possibility that it is not him in the photograph?
Dr David Biggins

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90322 J Burton, 78th Battery, RFA 4 years 8 months ago #64950

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One of the things I notice more and more is simply that so many people assume that a particular man in a photograph must be wearing his own medals, the very real possibility that he might not be actually doing so is never mentioned, certainly in my own time it was usual to borrow those of a fellow who you had served with on the same operations, when it was expedient to do, for whatsoever the reason might have been.

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90322 J Burton, 78th Battery, RFA 4 years 8 months ago #64951

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Frank,

I had not thought of that happening before but it does make sense and may explain the conundrum here.
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90322 J Burton, 78th Battery, RFA 4 years 8 months ago #64952

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The simpler explanation as David suggests is that this image is not 90322 J. BURTON
The roll states a 4 clasp QSA - he wears 3 clasps.
I can find no KSA to a J.Burton in Artillery
I find it curious that a man described as a labourer in 1902 is wearing military uniform for a photograph in 1904.

It would be useful for us to have the information from which the other research groups made their identification.

Peter

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