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Good Morning Everyone......

Here is a fantastic piece that has shown up on ebay.......

To a collector or historian of the battle at Sanna's Post this would be a prime piece......

It looks like a metal representation of the drawing in LIN........

www.ebay.com Boer-War-Commemorative-Cast-Copper-Plaque-By-Onslow-Whiting-1900 Item No. 271938932384

Mike

Very nice, Mike.

Sold by Bonhams in Feb 2010 with a nice period frame - now missing, for £360 inc premium.

Whiting did the panels for the Plymouth Hoe memorial and the statue for the Gloucester Rgt memorial.

dr.leeming wrote: Hello
I will try and scan the letter and send it next week
It is dated 28.8.50 and was to my now dead half brother from Uncle Bob who I believe was a Booth relation. But may be someone else.
The sentence reads "Q Battery R.H.A.have a large panel on whichis carved the names of the men present at Sannas post when all were recommended for the V.C. My fathers and your grandfathers names are included there. someday we may go and see this memorial together"

thanks
david leeming

Thanks David.

The panel in question is pictured in Gildea For Remembrance, 1911 - a super book on war memorials for the ABW. The names are legible with a glass, there is no Leeming and just one Booth - Driver JW Booth.

The panel was to travel with the battery to be placed in the men's dining hall. I do not know of its whereabouts today.

Regards
Meurig

Hi Meurig
Thanks- it seems JJL was of with pompoms- what were they? and Uncle Bob? had not seen the panel
I do recall when little being told that many Q battery memorials had been destroyed in a bombing of Woolwich during WW11
maybe thats where the panel went.
david

Hello David

Pom-poms were quick-firing guns designed by Hiram Maxim firing a 1 pound shell.

That's a good lead on the fate of the panel, I will ask my contacts at the RA Library.

Regards
Meurig

Back in 1978 the librarian of the Royal Artillery Institution gave me a copy of their typescript roll of member's of "Q" present at Sanna's Post. Overall of course it's quite similar to the two rolls already posted on this forum though it doesn't record which men were casualties. All rolls include a number of inaccuracies. However, I've noticed that apart from these old errors some newly introduced ones have crept in to the rolls previously posted here and in the data on another specialist website - so I thought I would take another look at it.

The compiler of the RAI roll evidently didn't have access to the medal roll: the ranks are those held at the time of Sanna's Post and don't take into account later promotions. By comparing the RAI roll and the ones previously posted here to WO100 and WO97 it's possible to iron out most of the confusion. However, there are so many anomalies between different medal rolls and soldiers' papers that it may never be perfect. Some of this was due to poor transcription but some soldiers compounded the issue. Gnr Watkins, for instance called himself Walter Henry Watkins, Walter Henry Watkiss, Walter William Watkins, Watkin William Watkins, and John Watkins over the years which explains why his medals have different names - luckily he kept the same number which might help reunite his QSA and KSA with his MM, 1914/15 trio, LSGC, and French Croix de Guerre.

There are only 138 on the RAI roll and some sub-sections seem undermanned. 'F' for example only lists 6 drivers. It's evident that there are names missing from the RAI roll and the other old rolls previously posted here. We know this because 4 well-documented casualties (Gnr Hewitt, and Dvrs Delooze, Hek, and J. Smith) do not appear on them. It seems likely that some non-casualties were also missed on the rolls. Several "T" Battery men were attached to "Q" at the battle and 3 of them became casualties (Gnrs 9915 R.Chapman and 91290 W.E. Farrington, wounded and 24059 Lee, prisoner) but it's possible there were others. "T" also had some men serving with "U" that day.

I'm sure there are still many things to be corrected but here's my version:

Allcock, C., 71119 Driver, “B” (Wounded)
Armstrong, E. 53782 Sergeant, “D” (Died of wounds)
Ashdown, H., 23667 Driver, “A”
Ashmore, E.B. Lieutenant (Wounded) Medal roll: Captain
Averall, T., 92933 Shoeing Smith, “F” Papers: ‘Thomas Henry Averell’
Avery, W., 69855 Gunner, “C” (Prisoner) Medal roll initial 'H'; papers confirm name as 'William'
Baker, F.A., 86693 Driver, “D” (Prisoner) Recorded as ‘W. Bower’ on unofficial online roll
Baker, J., 62550 Corporal, “E” Medal roll: Sergeant. On an unofficial online roll as ‘J. Baner’; papers confirm ‘62550’ ‘James Baker’
Balderstone, C.A, 2831 Gunner, “A” (Wounded)
Barber, A.J., 82614 Driver, “D” Unofficial roll: wounded (unconfirmed); his papers do not refer to wound
Barber, J.W., 29597 Gunner, “A”
Barker, A, 31997 Gunner, "E" Unofficial roll: prisoner (unconfirmed)
Bevan, O.C., 24305 Acting-Bombardier, “F”
Birch, W., 8497 Corporal, “D” (Wounded)
Blunden, J., 73685 Driver, “B”
Booth, J.W., 73036 Driver, “A” Unofficial roll: missing (unconfirmed)
Bostock, F., 32720 Driver, “B”
Bragg, T., 85446 Driver, “E”
Brockway, F., 76284 Driver, “B”
Brown, G.W., 73261 Driver, “A”
Carragher, J., 69871 Driver, “E”
Cattell, J., 70287 Driver, “B”
Charter, G., 14812 Driver, “F” Not listed on one of the unofficial rolls
Clarke, W., 65299 Driver, “F”
Claxton, J., 15080 Driver, “E”
Cleaver, F., 75530 Gunner, “D”
Collins, F.E., 32722 Driver, “A” Unofficial roll: wounded (unconfirmed); Medal roll: initials 'F.E.'; other medal rolls 'T.C',
Connor, T., 79910 Gunner, “A”
Cook, W., 56654 Battery Sergeant Major (Prisoner) Unofficial online roll states attached from 'U' Battery but his papers state BSM of 'Q' 27 November 1899 to 5 June 1900 (the BSM of ‘U’ Battery from 1 September 1898 to 11 April 1900 was 3230 James Martin’)
Cotton, C.E., 69592 Gunner, “E”
Cresswell, T. 25519 Trumpeter, “A” Name appears as 'Gresswell' on unofficial online roll; papers confirm 'Thomas Cresswell'
Darling, W.J., 78913 Bombardier, “B” Medal roll: Sergeant
Dart, S., 82849 Driver, “D” (Wounded)
Davidson, R., 74464 Gunner, “E”
Delooze, A., 15103 Driver, (Wounded) (Sub-Division unknown) Medal roll: A/Bdr.
Dickenson, G., 31998 Driver, “D” Medal roll for RHA Depot and his papers state: 'C.W. Dickinson'; unofficial online roll Dickeson
Dicker, J., 69159 Gunner, “C” (Wounded)
Diver, G., 61630 Driver, “B”
Dobbs, W., 33395 Gunner, “E” (Killed)
Duffy, J., 69843 Gunner, “B”
Dunn, J., 77494 Driver, “C” Unofficial roll: wounded (unconfirmed); his papers do not refer to wound
Dyson, H., 30756 Gunner, “B” (Prisoner)
Etheridge, T.L., 98574 Driver, “D” (Prisoner)
Finney, W., 72280 Gunner, “B”
Fogerty, E., 98095 Gunner, “C” 'Fogarty' on one Medal roll
Franks, C., 31905 Gunner, “B” (Killed)
Freeman, R., 5655 Corporal Shoeing Smith, “A”
Frost, R., 4976 Corporal Collar Maker, “C” (Prisoner) Medal roll for KSA regimental number 4971
Fullerton, E., 529 Corporal, “A” (Wounded)
Galpin, J. 63729 Sergeant, “F”, (Wounded)
Gascoigne, J.H, 33328 Driver, “B” Unofficial roll: wounded (unconfirmed); his papers do not refer to wound
Gatehouse, G., 11482 Driver, “F” (Wounded) Medal named with initials 'G.T.'
Gibbs, F., 33654 Gunner, “F”
Gillinder, R., 31990 Driver, “C”
Glasock, H., 33286 Driver, “E”, (Wounded) VC
Gray, G., 65367 Driver, “C” Medal roll: name altered from 'Grey' to 'Gray'
Green, H.Y., 66160 Staff Sgt Farrier, “B”
Greenhill, J., 69941 Gunner, “E”
Grey, F., 69862 Gunner, “C” (Wounded) 'Gray' ‘69812’ on unofficial rolls
Grosch, C.H., 69508 Gunner, “D” Unofficial roll: wounded (unconfirmed); his papers do not refer to wound
Gudgeon, J. S., 32246 Gunner, “F” DCM
Gullick, C.E., 68545,Gunner, "D" RAI roll 'Cullick'; unofficial online roll states Bombardier and number ‘67545’; papers confirm 'Gullick' ‘68545’ Gunner
Hale, T., 81973 Gunner, “A”
Hannan, A.E., 10372 Bombardier, “D” (Prisoner) Medal roll: Corporal; his name appears as 'Hannon' on some unofficial rolls but Medal rolls and pension papers show Hannan; photograph Evening Telegraph, Dundee 16 April 1913, headline 'Took Part in Memorable Fight'
Harper, W.E., 32723 Driver, “B”, (Killed)
Harwood, A.E., 11577 Driver, “A”
Harwood, R., 50353 Battery Quartermaster Sergeant
Hek, W., 32719 Driver (Wounded) (Sub-Division unknown)
Hewitt, F., 68397 Gunner (Wounded) (Sub-Division unknown)
Howard, H., 60912 Gunner, “D” (Wounded) Letter from hospital published in The Times, 16 May 1900
Howarth, J., 75895 Gunner, “C” (Wounded)
Huggins, W., 66878 Gunner, “E”
Humphreys, G., Captain (Wounded)
Hunter, S.R., 23467 Driver, “B” Deserted
Hurley, T.G., 18070 Acting-Bombardier, “F” Medal roll: Gunner
James, G., 61915 Shoeing Smith, “B” Appears variously on medal rolls with initial 'G' or 'J'; papers confirm 'George’; some unofficial rolls state wounded (unconfirmed); papers do not refer to wound
Jarman, T., 12828 Acting-Bombardier, “C” (Wounded)
Keohane, J., 82807 Gunner, "D" Some unofficial rolls transcribe as 'Gennans, J.'; papers and Canadian attestation confirm Keohane
Knibbs, H., 70829 Gunner, “E” Physical medal: Knibbs; Medal rolls Knibb; papers: Harry Knibb
Langridge, W., 38336 Driver, “B” Unofficial rolls state wounded (unconfirmed); his papers do not refer to wound
Lloyd, W., 14551 Driver, “C” (Missing)
Lodge, I., 70062 Gunner, “E” VC
Mannion, T., 14444 Driver, “A”
Marrington, T.J, 24138 Acting-Bombardier, “B” (wounded)
Mayhew, G. 33396 Driver, “C” Medal roll states initial 'G'; papers ‘Charles’
McDonnell, J., 13026 Gunner, “A” Unofficial roll states wounded (unconfirmed); his papers do not refer to wound; 'Q' Battery Medal rolls: McDonald; 'T' Battery KSA Medal roll: McDonnell; papers: McDonnell
Mitchelmore, G.H., 71392 Gunner, “F” Medal roll: A/Bdr; surname also Michelmore; appears on some unofficial rolls with initial ‘W’
Murch, D.J., Lieutenant (Died from wounds)
Murden, W., 14585 Acting-Bombardier, “D” (Wounded)
Murray, J., 60609 Sergeant, “B” (Wounded) Some unofficial rolls state initials 'J.H.'; Medal rolls and papers show 'J' or 'John' and no middle initial
Nolan, P., 33428 Driver, “A”
Nolan, P., 85588 Gunner, “A” DCM
Palmer, J., 14455 Gunner, “B”
Parker, C.E., 47511 Corporal, “C” VC; medal roll: Sergeant
Pavey, F., 67353 Sergeant, “A” DCM; Medal roll: BSM;
Peck, H.R., Lieutenant, (Wounded) Medal roll: Captain
Peters, J.B., 50235 Gunner, “F” (Wounded)
Phipps-Hornby, E.J., Major VC
Poole, E.T., 12697 Driver, “C”
Porter, H., 23873 Driver, “A”
Portlock, F., 74759 Gunner, “B”
Prior, G., 79380 Driver, “C”
Purdy, J., 70207 Gunner, “C”
Rand, J., 73587 Driver, “D” ‘J. Hand’ on unofficial online roll; papers confirm James Rand
Randoll, F., 10278 Gunner, “F” Medal roll: name corrected to 'Randoll' from 'Randall’; papers: ‘Randoll’
Robins, G., 31182 Gunner, “F”
Robinson, C., 84890 Gunner, “F”
Royal, W.H., 71043 Gunner, “E” Medal roll: A/Bdr
Royle, T., 83724 Driver, “C”
Saw, G.W., 14270 Driver, “F”
Shepherd, E., 33340 Driver, “F”
Shimmans, R. 63690 Sergeant “E”, (Wounded)
Shore, S., 79583 Driver, “E”
Smith, A.E., 77566 Corporal Wheeler, “E”
Smith, B., 14872 Driver "A" Unofficial rolls confuse 14872 Dvr B. Smith and 79058 Gnr B. Smith. The latter joined 'Q' Battery 7 April 1900
Smith, F.J., 90295 Driver "D" Not on unofficial online roll
Smith, G., 25105 Driver, “C”
Smith, J., 76198 Driver (Wounded) (Sub-division unknown)
Smith, J., 9373 Gunner, “A” (Prisoner)
Spencer, H.M., 11198 Driver, “B”, (Wounded)
Steele, W., 33356 Driver, “A” On RAI roll as Stiple (?); WW1 medal rolls and papers state '33556'
Stoddart, J., 10083 Bombardier, “A” (Wounded)
Swallow, F.W., 76494 Gunner, “E”
Tagg, T., 73100 Driver, “D” Unofficial roll: missing (unconfirmed)
Taylor, W., 11107 Driver, “F”
Thomas, G.F., 14578 Shoeing Smith, “E”
Thompkins, E., 15126 Shoeing Smith, “D” Papers: ‘Tompkins’
Topliff, T., 69762 Gunner, “F”
Triggs, W., 72585 Driver, “C” (Wounded)
Tuck, E., 33302 Driver, “D”
Tyler, A.H., 81743 Driver, “C” (Wounded) Unofficial online roll 'G. Tyler'; papers confirm 'Albert Henry Tyler'
Type, A., 57025 Driver, “D:
Warren, C., 34270 Driver, “E”
Waskett, F., 84511 Driver, “C” Medal roll ‘Waskett’; unofficial online roll’ Worskit’; papers: ‘Frederick Thomas Wosket’
Watkins, W.H., 33655 Gunner, “A” KSA and WW1 medal rolls and papers show aliases ‘W.H Watkiss’ and’ W.W. Watkins’ with same number
Webb, A., 32810 Driver, “E”
Whitten, J., 26139 Gunner, “B” Medal roll: A/Bdr
Williams, J., 26192 Driver, “E”
Williams, R.J., 25694 Gunner, “C” (Prisoner) Medal roll: deserted
Winstone, C., 34119 Driver, “B”
Witney, F.C., 5160 Bombardier, “C”
Woodham, C., 67396 Gunner, “D”