ok one a rimless with scrapings it is ever so slightly smaller than a kruger shilling and I think it can be  called the gen article ,a  blank pond  as on my scales it  comes in at 8gm , it should be 7.988 that's close enough for me
got the wife s stamp collectors super  magnifying  with light out, 

  looks really good to me  any one know its  worth
the other one I have is much bigger  looks more coppery/ brassy  but it is dirty , is slightly bigger than a kruger shilling and as thick as a kruger 1 shilling piece ,and weighs in at 9 gm has a slight rim that I can catch my finger nail on , but I think we can call it a fake as it should weigh in at 7.988 gm  not 9gm