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The recent post on the double NZ Medal/QSA group started me thinking how many of these combinations there are.

The seller on ebay says Burslem is understood to be the only other rank to have served in both conflicts (a couple of officers served in both)

I am starting to look at this combination of New Zealand Medal and QSA. Does anyone know who these officers are?

I am going through the War Service of officer from 1905 and have found this entry:

Bromfield, J, Lt Col, retired pay

New Zealand War, 1866 - Medal
S African War, 1901-02 - Operations in CC March 1901 to 31 May 1902. Queen's Medal with clasp

Hi David,

As far as us colonials go, I have the following combinations recorded:

CAULTON, Stapylton Cotton. Served at Omaranui in 1866 - Medal named to Napier CDF (i.e. Colonial Defence Force). Served Lieutenant, 7th NZMR Contingent. Wounded (lost an arm) at Bothasberg 24th February 1902. Medals still with family - super-cool group!

MESSENGER, William Bazire. Captain, Taranaki Militia. Lead the 10th NZMR Contingent in South Africa (Lieutenant-Colonel). Also received Colonial Auxiliary Forces Decoration and NZ Long and Efficient Service Medal. Medals are extant but split about three ways.

NEWALL, Stuart. Served as an NCO/Sub-Inspector with the Armed Constabulary (Medal issued 1/7/1872). Lead the 5th NZMR Contingent in South Africa (Lieutenant-Colonel). CB and MiD. Also received Colonial Auxiliary Forces Decoration and NZ Long and Efficient Service Medal.

PORTER, Thomas William. Served with multiple colonial units in New Zealand. On roll as an officer with the Armed Constabulary. Lead the 7th NZMR Contingent in South Africa (Lieutenant-Colonel). CB and MiD. Also received Colonial Auxiliary Forces Decoration and NZ Long and Efficient Service Medal and 1902 Coronation Medal. Group is complete, with the exception of the NZ War Medal which is possibly with a collector outside of New Zealand.

Cheers

Phil

Phil,

That is excellent information. Thank you very much.

They sound amazing groups.

Do you think there will be many NCOs and men who served in both?

Best wishes
David

To my knowledge, none of the ORs in the New Zealand Contingents served in both, so I would say zero as far as NZ is concerned. I couldn't speak for, say, Imperial troops who perhaps were living in SA in 1899 and joined a local unit. There could be the odd one who has remained anonymous thus far I guess.

That was the case with John Burslem, Phil. He happened to be in SA when war broke out.

It would be quite a task to cross-check the rolls.