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York, England Boer War Memorial 10 years 7 months ago #20019

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That appears to be a rifle or at least the back end of one and not a chain or piece of rope, the latter is by his feet. :unsure:

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York, England Boer War Memorial 10 years 7 months ago #20020

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The rifle (or what is left of it!) represents a normal Magazine Lee-Enfield. The Handy Man's cartridge bandolier, however, is more akin to the type used by the Boers in the early stages of the war; with individual pockets for each five-round charger contained therein. British .303" bandoliers are quite different - having individual loops for the rounds. I have occasionally seen ABW illustrations where individual soldiers are wearing Boer Mauser bandoliers and I was minded to speculate "why" in a post sometime.
Nice set of pics.
IL.

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York, England Boer War Memorial 10 years 7 months ago #20021

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Hello Meurig,

Thank you for this information, very interesting.

Paul :)

SWB wrote: Agreed - an absolute cracker of a memorial, one I "cut my teeth on" and published a history on:

The Yorkshire County Memorial: A history of the Yorkshire County Memorial York, for the Second Anglo-Boer War, 1899-1902
York Historian (Yorkshire Architectural and York Archaeological Society) vol 12 1995

There is a figure from this memorial on the Carnegie Library, Lichfield, Staffordshire. The masons were Robert Bridgeman & Sons of Lichfield and their first figure of a sailor (there is a figure representing each of the arms of service) was rejected - he carried a rifle which was accurate for the naval brigade but did not fit the popular imagination, so he was replaced by sailor holding a rope or chain.

The memorial is located on land on Duncombe Place named after a Dean of York from the Duncombe family (Earls of Feversham) who were closely associated with the Yorkshire Hussars. I was fortunate enough to acquire the medal to Colonel CWE Duncombe who served in South Africa with the 9th Coy (3rd bn) IY. He later commanded the Yorkshire Dragoons, in WW1 though he served with the British Red Cross.

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York, England Boer War Memorial 10 years 7 months ago #20022

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Bernice,

Thank you for adding the picture.

Paul :)

BereniceUK wrote:

SWB wrote: There is a figure from this memorial on the Carnegie Library, Lichfield, Staffordshire. The masons were Robert Bridgeman & Sons of Lichfield and their first figure of a sailor (there is a figure representing each of the arms of service) was rejected - he carried a rifle which was accurate for the naval brigade but did not fit the popular imagination, so he was replaced by sailor holding a rope or chain.


...and here he is.



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York, England Boer War Memorial 10 years 7 months ago #20023

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I visited York last Saturday but only had the camera on my mobile with me.
I tried to take a few pics of the memorial plaques but it was difficult balancing on the steps, so apologies for the poor quality.
Mostly of Colonials.








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York, England Boer War Memorial 10 years 7 months ago #20024

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Hello Ian

Interesting observation, who knows what reference the sculptor had when carving the
bandolier. I am sure there are bandoliers on other figures - MI & cavalry, if my slides were digitised I could refer to them quickly. Maybe Paul or Berenice has pictures of the figures?

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LinneyI wrote: Meurig
The rifle (or what is left of it!) represents a normal Magazine Lee-Enfield. The Handy Man's cartridge bandolier, however, is more akin to the type used by the Boers in the early stages of the war; with individual pockets for each five-round charger contained therein. British .303" bandoliers are quite different - having individual loops for the rounds. I have occasionally seen ABW illustrations where individual soldiers are wearing Boer Mauser bandoliers and I was minded to speculate "why" in a post sometime.
Nice set of pics.
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