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Boer War Pocket-Knives 9 years 1 week ago #49699
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Boer War Pocket-Knives 9 years 1 week ago #49736
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Good Morning Everyone.....
I have been advised that there are 4 different versions of the Boer Pen Knife...... 1. 2 Thin Blades (Shown) 2. 2 Thick Blades 3. 1 Thin Blade and Corkscrew 4. Corkscrew Also the first two have been copied so you have to be careful...... Mike Life Member
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Boer War Pocket-Knives 9 years 1 week ago #49748
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Mike and others interested
That really is a nice little utility knife to the ANSR! Many years ago, I did see the remains of one of those Boer pocket/pen knives (really only the side grips) recovered along with a rotted bandolier from a derelict humpy (rude hut) 'way out in the bush. The mobilisation of so many men in the UK especially during the early part of 1900 would have been seen as an opportunity to market all sorts of stuff. Bearing in mind that the official schedule of a soldier's equipment did include a jack-knife and lanyard, some items gifted by a well-meaning relative would have had a short life. However, attached is a trio of pics from the 3/1900 B@W Budget; illustrating a pen/utility knife supplied to the C.I.V. (actually referred to in the ad as the C.L.I.V.) and some other Volunteers. Made by the renowned Gun Maker, Thomas Turner and Sons, the knife did have some Official Patronage! Regards to all IL. |
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If anyone is interested, this just showed up.......
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Boer War Pocket-Knives 1 day 7 minutes ago #103233
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The "LORD MAYOR'S OWN" pocketknife, by THOMAS TURNER & Co., SHEFFIELD.
As issued to all members of the City Imperial Volunteers or the "Lord Mayor's Own", the Yorkshire Imperial Yeomanry, and the Duke of Cambridge’s Own Imperial Yeomanry. Also presented to, amongst others, members of the Volunteer Active Service Company, Gordon Highlanders (50), East Grinstead members of the Volunteer Active Service Company, Royal Sussex Regiment (5), members of the Morayshire contingent, Volunteer Active Service Company, Seaforth Highlanders (44), members of the Granton-on-Spey contingent Volunteer Active Service Company, Seaforth Highlanders (11), and Inverness members of Lord Lovat's Scouts (4). According to the Sheffield Independent (27 Sep 1902), 150,000 of these knives were sent to the front. It is surprising, therefore, that they rarely appear on the market. Ladies' Field, 10 February 1900 POCKET KNIVES FOR THE YEOMANRY. The offer of Messrs Thomas Turner and Co., Suffolk Cutlery Works, Sheffield, to present every member of the Yorkshire Yeomanry contingent who has volunteered for the front with a good pocket knife, has been accepted by the commanding officer, and Messrs Turner are accordingly preparing 250 for the purpose. The knife was specially designed by the makers for the “Lord Mayor's Own” Volunteers, who have taken more than a thousand of them, and the pattern is now registered. It is a large, strongly made article, hafted in stag-horn, and combining a large blade, a folding can-opener, and a leather borer, which is also useful for many other purposes. The very best steel has been employed, all the parts being stoutly made so as to be quite durable, and the whole forming a really valuable emigrant’s or colonial knife, besides providing the men with a constant reminder of Sheffield. The value of the gift will be appreciated when it is stated that the retail selling price of the knife is 4s 6d. Banffshire Advertiser, 22 February 1900 Each of the 44 Morayshire men were presented with a strong pocket knife, which has been specially made for campaigning purposes. It is stamped the “Lord Mayor's Own”, and is the same as was presented to the City of London Volunteers and the Gordons. The knife measures 4 inches in length when closed, has a stag haft, strong blade, substantial tin opener of the finest steel, guaranteed to open any tin, strong square punch or leather borer, and will also act as a marlinespike or horse hook. Black and White Budget, 3 March 1900, p. 8 An excellent knife, originally designed for the C.L.I.V. but since supplied to the Volunteers of the Gordon Highlanders, the Yorkshire Yeomanry, and the Duke of Cambridge’s Own, has been manufactured by Messrs Thomas Turner and Co., of Sheffield. It is called the “Lord Mayor’s Own Knife”, and has received the approval of H.R.H. the Duke of Cambridge, who says that he is “highly satisfied with the knife, and thinks it quite the right thing for the purpose”. It measures four inches in length when closed, and consists of a good strong blade, an effective tin-opener and a strong square pincer, which can be used as a leather borer, machine spiker, or a horse-hook. The price is five shillings and sixpence. The Sketch, 7 March 1900 The “Lord Mayor’s Own Knife” – such as his Lordship presumably uses at his frugal lunch – is a substantial piece of cutlery, superbly finished by the well-known Sheffield firm of Messrs Thomas Turner and Co. It has, no doubt, proved already most serviceable in South Africa to the City of London Imperial Volunteers. It has a stag haft, a strong blade of finest steel, a tin-opener, and leather-borer. To the credit of Messrs Thomas and Co. be it said that they presented one of these singularly strong and useful knives to each man in the two squadrons of the Yorkshire Imperial Yeomanry. Lord Aberdeen had two hundred and fifty for presentation to the Volunteers of the Gordon Highlanders. H.R.H. the Duke of Cambridge also selected this pattern for presentation to the Company of Imperial Yeomanry which was raised under the style of “The Duke of Cambridge’s”. Western Gazette, 9 March 1900 ENTHUSIASTIC SEND-OFF TO YEOVIL VOLUNTEERS. Seldom, if ever, has such a scene of enthusiasm been witnessed in the town as that which attended the public send-off accorded to Privates F. England and H. Adams, both of Huish, Yeovil, the two local Volunteers who have been accepted for service in South Africa, on Wednesday evening. …… A few minutes before the arrival of the train, Captain Trask handed the two men in whose honour the demonstration was organised, a purse containing £3 5s each from the members of the Company and the inhabitants of the town generally. Lieutenant Brutton gave each man a combination pocket knife similar to that which was presented to the City of London Imperial Volunteers, Colonel Marsh handed them a pound of tobacco each from the Mayor and Corporation, and Mrs Trask gave them a briar pipe each. The officers shook hands with the men and wished them a safe return, and then followed more cheers. Newcastle Courant, 31 March 1900 In January last Messrs Thomas Turner and Co. registered an emigrant or colonial knife containing a folding can opener and a leather-borer. It was designed, in the first instance, for the Lord Mayor’s Own Volunteers, and a thousand knives were supplied. Messrs Turner, to their credit, presented each member of the Yorkshire Yeomanry contingent with the same knife, two hundred having been prepared for this purpose. Sheffield Independent, 27 September 1902 The chapter on pen and pocket cutlery, for instance, contains the following interesting reference to one of the specialties of the firm: – The most noticeable of these knives is the one known as the “C.I.V.”, or the “Lord Mayor's” knife, in as much as it was first made for the City Imperial Volunteers, and has been supplied from Suffolk Works to no fewer than 150,000 of the British or Colonial troops on service in South Africa. In addition to a strong blade, the knife has a square pike, which will punch a hole in a leather strap, remove a stone from a horse's hoof, or make a hole in a board an inch thick, and it is provided also with a tin opener. This was the idea of a member of the present firm who had been in South Africa, and, in view of the fact that so much food was being sent to the troops in tins, was led to wonder what would happen when the soldiers received their tins and found that the tin openers which ought to accompany them had got mislaid, or were at some more or less distant spot. An impression prevailed that, in such circumstances as these, a soldier would open the tin with his bayonet; but there were obvious disadvantages and dangers in this arrangement, not only for the bayonet, but for the man as well. The suggestion, therefore, that a strong tin opener should be added to the pocket knives sent out to the seat of war was adopted, and when the knives were ordered for the Duke of Cambridge's Own, the Duke described them as absolutely the best and most useful knife he had seen, while Major-General Mackinnon, of the C.I.V., described the tin opener in the pocket knife as invaluable, and quite as useful as the blade. Highland News, 13 June 1903 THE LOVAT SCOUTS. On Monday, the 19th of February, 1900, the corps, to the number of 250, including officers, was inspected by Colonel Brockenden, commanding the 42nd Regimental District, Lieutenant Brodie of Brodie, in the absence of Captain Stewart, having command of the infantry, while Lord Lovat was in command of the mounted contingent. On Wednesday the 28th of February, the Town Council of Inverness visited the camp of the Scouts in their official capacity, when ex-Provost Macbean presented to each of the men a specially designed pocket-knife in duplicate of the knife presented by the Lord Mayor of London to the City Imperial Volunteers on the eve of their departure for London.
"The King", 17th February 1900
Reports on the Raising, Organising, Eqipping and Despatching of the City of London Imperial Volunteers, London, 1900, pp. 51 & 52.
An excellent article on British ABW knives can be found HERE. In this, the author describes the above knife as follows: Collectable Antique Sheffield Knives [C.A.S.K.] Thomas Turner Pattern 6041 – the “Lord Mayor’s Own” knife – also variously referred to as the ‘C.I.V.’ [i.e. City Imperial Volunteers] knife, or the ‘C.L.I.V’. [i.e. City of London Imperial Volunteers] knife. This is the best known of the four knives displayed in the Thomas Turner & Co. 1902 trade catalogue, wherein it is described as “Blade, tin opener and leather borer. As supplied to the City Imperial Volunteers”. The Registered Design number stamped on the pile side tang of the blade is “Rd. No. 351515” which indicates the date of registration of the design as early 1900. The blade face is stamped “LORD MAYOR’S OWN”, the mark side tang of the blade is stamped “THOMAS TURNER & Co. SHEFFIELD” together with T. Turner mark and the word “ENCORE” stamped at right angles. The tin opener is stamped “SHEFFIELD OIL THE JOINTS”. This is a high-quality knife with brass liners and a nickel-silver shackle and is the only small clasp knife detailed herein that does not have a sheepfoot blade that was a distinctive feature of Boer War clasp knives. The three known variants of the T. Turner Pattern No. 6041 are: 1. The ‘Lord Mayor's Own’ knife, possibly limited to the single contract by the City of London for the City (of London) Imperial Volunteers, and only manufactured by Thomas Turner & Co. A high-quality knife with brass liners and a nickel-silver shackle, and distinctive due to its spearpoint blade whereas almost all other Boer War clasp knives had a sheepfoot blade – apart from the square-pointed Royal Navy knife described previously. 2. The military contract C.I.V. version, has similar design characteristics to the above, except for the sheepfoot blade, steel liners, copper shackle, and the W↑D stamping. The overall length closed of 4 inches (10.1cm), the stag handles, the sheepfoot blade and the steel liners are also common characteristics of the other three knives shown in the Thomas Turner 1902 catalogue. Note that a knife is held in an Australian collection which is identical to the 'military contract' knife described above except that it lacks any W↑D stamping. 3. ‘The Lord Mayor Knife’, a commercial version of 1. above and identical in construction except for the stamping on the blade face. Examples by both Thomas Turner and Wingfield Rowbotham are known. Based on the statement in "Black and White Budget" [see above] that the knife was “… originally designed for the C.L.I.V. but since supplied to the Volunteers of the Gordon Highlanders, the Yorkshire Yeomanry, and the Duke of Cambridge's Own”, it appears probable the ‘Lord Mayor’s Own’ knife was the original version and that the more utilitarian military contract variant (i.e. steel liners and copper shackle rather than brass liners and nickel-silver shackle) came later. ..
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