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How about this from the next DNW auction?


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QSA (7) Belm MR Paar Drie Wep DH Belf (159980 Ldg-Sto: D. J. Sandford, H.M.S. Doris) officially impressed naming, the Wepener clasp sometime re-riveted;
QSA (1) Belm (159980 D. J. Sandford, Lg. Stoker 1Cl., H.M.S. Doris.) officially impressed naming, this with re-fixed suspension

Believed to be the only extant example to the Royal Navy with a ‘Wepener’ clasp

Ex Lovell Collection, Sotheby’s, 16 November 1978 (Lot 513); the official duplicate purchased direct from a family source; The Barrett J. Carr Collection of Boer War Medals, Dix Noonan Webb, 7 March 2007.

33 7-clasp Queen’s South Africa Medals were awarded to the ship’s company of H.M.S. Doris, 18 of them erroneously including the “Wepener” clasp instead of that for “Johannesburg”; see Barrett J. Carr’s related article published in the O.M.R.S. Journal (Summer 1977 edition), in which he examines the background to Sandford’s Queen’s South Africa Medal(s) and clasps in detail.

The official roll (ADM. 171/53), which confirms Sandford’s entitlement to the above described Medal and clasps, but has a later annotation striking out the “Wepener” clasp in favour of that for “Johannesburg”, states:

‘Medal sent to Sandford, 31 Jan. 1902, H.M.S. Vivid’. Duplicate issued No. 6471 to Caesar, 10 Nov. 1905; see duplicate papers for suspected substitution; returned to Arsenal Jan. 1906.’

David James Sandford was born in Antrim, Ireland in December 1868 and entered the Royal Navy as a Stoker 2nd Class in April 1891. Joining H.M.S. Doris in November 1897, he was landed for service with the Naval Brigade in South Africa, under Captain J. E. Bearcroft, R.N., and received a ‘special mention’ in the same officer’s despatch of 17 October 1900, in addition to advancement to Leading Stoker 1st Class in the latter month.

Advanced to Chief Stoker in November 1902, Sandford was loaned to the Royal Australian Navy 1912-17, finally being discharged in the latter year.

Waiting for a Jiffy Bag for this and a couple of other interesting pieces........

Mike

From FMP.......

First name(s) J P
Last name McDonald
Service number 577
Rank Sergeant
Regiment Kaffrarian Rifles
Rolls WO100/254 page 43
QSA Clasps: We,W,CC,T

Good Afternoon Everyone......

From Find My Past

First name(s) T C
Last name Bruce
Service number 2609
Rank Private
Regiment Cape Mounted Rifles
Other regiments/units Unit: Cape Mounted Rifles, Rank: Private, Number: 2609
Rolls WO100/241 page 18
Notes QSA Clasps: We,W,CC,T KSA Clasps: SA01,SA02

Interesting 2 Wepener's in one month......

Hello Mike,

Very nice indeed.

Thomas Charles Bruce attested into the CMR at King Williams Town on the 12th July 1894 at the age of 24 years.

He took his discharge on the 28th February 1905 on transfer to the Colonial Ordnance department. Served 10 Years and 232 days. 34 Years old on discharge.

Hope this snippet of info helps in some way.

Regards
Adrian

Mike,

I believe this to be your man:

Estate file shows died in 1936

DEPOT KAB
SOURCE MOOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 6/9/4773
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 50461
PART 1
DESCRIPTION BRUCE, THOMAS CHARLES. ESTATE PAPERS.
STARTING 19360000
ENDING 19360000

Thank You Adrian......

Any information is greatly appreciated......

Mike