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Hi Mike,
It just occured to me that "your tonight" is in fact "my tomorrow" so perhaps I need to go over to see if Paul has any of that Whisky left!
Regards Frank (still in a state of suspense!)

QSAMIKE wrote:

Frank Kelley wrote: Mike,
The suspense and anxious uncertainty is not doing anything for me!

Frank Kelley wrote:
How many single clasp medals does our friend Mr Kaplan say were issued?


Regards as always Frank

Hi Frank......

Will do a count as soon as I get home for you but I am away from the list today so if you can wait till tonight......

Mike

Frank,
Think I will need a few drinks when I look at the Spinks 1999 results tonight

Paul

Frank Kelley wrote: Hi Mike,
It just occured to me that "your tonight" is in fact "my tomorrow" so perhaps I need to go over to see if Paul has any of that Whisky left!
Regards Frank (still in a state of suspense!)

QSAMIKE wrote:

Frank Kelley wrote: Mike,
The suspense and anxious uncertainty is not doing anything for me!

Frank Kelley wrote:
How many single clasp medals does our friend Mr Kaplan say were issued?


Regards as always Frank

Hi Frank......

Will do a count as soon as I get home for you but I am away from the list today so if you can wait till tonight......

Mike

Hello Paul,
Well it was thirteen years ago now, it was really on day two when the bargains were to be had, it is, however, nice to have something from that particular sale, nice stuff does still turn up at a price, and there was a great deal of nice stuff that Spink did not have examples of in their sale, back then.
When I was very young, Spink were in their King St premises in St James (as they still were in 1999!) and I do remember Brian Simpkin advising me to buy only the very best I could afford, that is still valid today!
It is merely a question of defining what you really want and having the money to buy it!
Frank

Yup - I made a mistake with the M Btty numbers!

Having captured the M Btty roll - Kaplan's 57 is spot on.

I have been through The Register and found there 56 officers and men of Imperial regiments (mostly cavalry) entitled to RoM. Most of these men were attached to colonial units some served on the staff, many would be in Kaplan's roll but some are not such as Pte 2981 HH Harris 13th Hussars (clasps: RoM,TH,OFS,RoL,J,SA01).

So the number of RoM clasps to Imperial Units is 162 + 56 = 218 - so far.

Regards
Meurig

Good Evening Meurig.....

I agree with you as to the numbers for Imperial Units.....

Here is what Kaplan has listed and he is taking his information from Hibbards published list of single bar medals:

1. Total Number of Bars Issued ................ 3002
2. Total Number of Bars to Colonial Units ..... 2840
3. Total Number of Bars to Imperial Units ..... 162
4. Medals with Rhodesia - R. of Mafeking ...... 1515
5. Medals with R. of Ladysmith - R. of Mafeking 209
6. Medals with Def. of Ladysmith - R. of Mafeking ...... 33
7. Medals with Def. of Kimberly - R. of Mafeking ...... 420
8. Medals with Elandslaagte - Def. of Ladysmith and
R. of Mafeking ...... 184

There is a note that the Northern Force under Col. Plumer consisted of 1515 men and not 700 as previously stated.

One man on the list has a confirmed 10 Bar Medal:

Trooper J Emerton, Commander In Chiefs Body Guard and 1st Imperial Light Horse

Paard., Drief., Johann., Diam. H., Belfast, R. of Mafeking, O.F.S., Tvl., Tugela H., R. of Ladysmith.

C. in C. B.G. - Lieutenant - Medal and 6 Clasps claimed and Issued
1I.L.H. - Lieutenant - 4 Clasps claimed

Unit: Clasps Issued:

1. B.S.A.P. ........................... 249
2. B.S.A.P. MASHONALAND DIV. ........... 118
3. CAPE POLICE DIST. 1. ................ 33
4. CAPE POLICE DIST. 2. ................ 99
5. COMMANDER IN CHIEF'S BODY GUARD ..... 78
6. DAMANT'S HORSE ...................... 22
7. DIAMOND FIELD'S ARTILLERY ........... 3
8. DENNISON'S SCOUTS ................... 1
9. F.I.D. ............................. 2
10. 1ST IMPERIAL LIGHT HORSE ............ 426
11. 2ND IMPERIAL LIGHT HORSE ............ 17
12. JOHANNESBURG MOUNTED RIFLES ......... 6
13. KIMBERLY TOWN GUARD ................. 15
14. KIMBERLY VOLUNTEER REGIMENT ......... 200
15. KIMBERLY LIGHT HORSE ................ 195
16. KITCHENER'S HORSE ................... 2
17. LOYAL NORTH LANCS. .................. 1
18. NEW SOUTH WALES CITIZENS BUSHMEN .... 1 (Corrected to 0)
19. 3rd QUEENSLAND MOUNTED INFANTRY ..... 110
20. RHODESIA REGIMENT A SQUADRON ........ 111
21. RHODESIA REGIMENT B SQUADRON ........ 101
22. RHODESIA REGIMENT C SQUADRON ........ 101
23. RHODESIA REGIMENT D SQUADRON ........ 88
24. RHODESIA REGIMENT E EQUADRON ........ 118
25. R. CAN. FIELD ARTY. C. BATTERY ...... 64
26. 2ND ROYAL IRISH FUSILIERS ........... 20
27. 1ST ROYAL WELCH FUSILIERS ........... 26
28. 2ND ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS ........... 26
29. 2ND ROYAL FUSILIERS ................. 27
30. M BATTERY ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY ..... 57
31. ROYAL ARTILLERY 1 PR. MAXIMS POMPOM . 5
32. SOUTHERN RHODESIA VOLUNTEERS ........ 530
33. SOUTHERN RHODESIA VOL. RESERVE FORCE. 69
34. SOUTH AFRICA LIGHT HORSE ............ 4
35. SOUTH AFRICAN CONSTABULARY .......... 75
36. S.A.M.I.F. .......................... 1
37. SCOTTISH HORSE ...................... 2

I hope that this is of some help to everyone.....

Mike

Hello Mike,
But is there not an appendix in Kaplans roll for the number of single clasp medals issued?
I would have thought as you would be dealing with what would be, in effect casualties, that he would have been very keen to establish that particular figure.
Also, does he say who did the research for him, because I would be very surprised if he had actually been over to London and done it himself, could it have been, by any chance, Diana Birch?
Regards Frank