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Kaplan does not list single clasps.

Hibbard in his Single Bar monograph doesn't list recipients or numbers, just a category.

RoM for Imperials is 'Unknown' and for Colonials 'Extremely Rare'.

With databases we can check his work and he is mistaken for Imperials:

Pte 4405 HD Dent 10th Hussars - single RoM. The only one I know about.

I don't have a figure for Colonials but Hibbard only knew about such medals to the SALH, Kitchener's Horse and Rhodesia Regt. I can't add to that list.

The 10 clasp medal to Emerton is strictly invalid as Kaplan lists Transvaal along with battle clasps for the Transvaal. Would be interesting to see his medal.

Onwards and upwards!

Good morning Meurig,
I have been very aware of Mr Hibbard's thoughts for many years now.
Are you saying that Mr Kaplan does not list any single clasp medals or are you saying he does not show a separate list for them within his roll?
Regards Frank

Hello Mike,
Many thanks for this extra information, all to add to the medals info file

Paul

QSAMIKE wrote: Good Evening Meurig.....

I agree with you as to the numbers for Imperial Units.....

Here is what Kaplan has listed and he is taking his information from Hibbards published list of single bar medals:

1. Total Number of Bars Issued ................ 3002
2. Total Number of Bars to Colonial Units ..... 2840
3. Total Number of Bars to Imperial Units ..... 162
4. Medals with Rhodesia - R. of Mafeking ...... 1515
5. Medals with R. of Ladysmith - R. of Mafeking 209
6. Medals with Def. of Ladysmith - R. of Mafeking ...... 33
7. Medals with Def. of Kimberly - R. of Mafeking ...... 420
8. Medals with Elandslaagte - Def. of Ladysmith and
R. of Mafeking ...... 184

There is a note that the Northern Force under Col. Plumer consisted of 1515 men and not 700 as previously stated.

One man on the list has a confirmed 10 Bar Medal:

Trooper J Emerton, Commander In Chiefs Body Guard and 1st Imperial Light Horse

Paard., Drief., Johann., Diam. H., Belfast, R. of Mafeking, O.F.S., Tvl., Tugela H., R. of Ladysmith.

C. in C. B.G. - Lieutenant - Medal and 6 Clasps claimed and Issued
1I.L.H. - Lieutenant - 4 Clasps claimed

Unit: Clasps Issued:

1. B.S.A.P. ........................... 249
2. B.S.A.P. MASHONALAND DIV. ........... 118
3. CAPE POLICE DIST. 1. ................ 33
4. CAPE POLICE DIST. 2. ................ 99
5. COMMANDER IN CHIEF'S BODY GUARD ..... 78
6. DAMANT'S HORSE ...................... 22
7. DIAMOND FIELD'S ARTILLERY ........... 3
8. DENNISON'S SCOUTS ................... 1
9. F.I.D. ............................. 2
10. 1ST IMPERIAL LIGHT HORSE ............ 426
11. 2ND IMPERIAL LIGHT HORSE ............ 17
12. JOHANNESBURG MOUNTED RIFLES ......... 6
13. KIMBERLY TOWN GUARD ................. 15
14. KIMBERLY VOLUNTEER REGIMENT ......... 200
15. KIMBERLY LIGHT HORSE ................ 195
16. KITCHENER'S HORSE ................... 2
17. LOYAL NORTH LANCS. .................. 1
18. NEW SOUTH WALES CITIZENS BUSHMEN .... 1 (Corrected to 0)
19. 3rd QUEENSLAND MOUNTED INFANTRY ..... 110
20. RHODESIA REGIMENT A SQUADRON ........ 111
21. RHODESIA REGIMENT B SQUADRON ........ 101
22. RHODESIA REGIMENT C SQUADRON ........ 101
23. RHODESIA REGIMENT D SQUADRON ........ 88
24. RHODESIA REGIMENT E EQUADRON ........ 118
25. R. CAN. FIELD ARTY. C. BATTERY ...... 64
26. 2ND ROYAL IRISH FUSILIERS ........... 20
27. 1ST ROYAL WELCH FUSILIERS ........... 26
28. 2ND ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS ........... 26
29. 2ND ROYAL FUSILIERS ................. 27
30. M BATTERY ROYAL HORSE ARTILLERY ..... 57
31. ROYAL ARTILLERY 1 PR. MAXIMS POMPOM . 5
32. SOUTHERN RHODESIA VOLUNTEERS ........ 530
33. SOUTHERN RHODESIA VOL. RESERVE FORCE. 69
34. SOUTH AFRICA LIGHT HORSE ............ 4
35. SOUTH AFRICAN CONSTABULARY .......... 75
36. S.A.M.I.F. .......................... 1
37. SCOTTISH HORSE ...................... 2

I hope that this is of some help to everyone.....

Mike

Frank Kelley wrote: Good morning Meurig,
I have been very aware of Mr Hibbard's thoughts for many years now.
Are you saying that Mr Kaplan does not list any single clasp medals or are you saying he does not show a separate list for them within his roll?
Regards Frank

Hello Frank

Kaplan doesn't give a figure for single clasp medals or list them - this may well be because he had no sure way of verifying them - he would need access to all the rolls.

Regards
Meurig

Good Morning Frank.....

I am looking through all the pages for single bar medals but I have not found one yet.....

And after seeing Meurig's comments I do not think that I will find one....

Mike

Good Morning Meurig.....

Just copying the listings that are stated in Kaplan's roll.... I am sure that he made it before the time of computers and the internet and of course this fantastic forum..... It is still a good starting point....

Mike

SWB wrote: Kaplan does not list single clasps.

Hibbard in his Single Bar monograph doesn't list recipients or numbers, just a category.

RoM for Imperials is 'Unknown' and for Colonials 'Extremely Rare'.

With databases we can check his work and he is mistaken for Imperials:

Pte 4405 HD Dent 10th Hussars - single RoM. The only one I know about.

I don't have a figure for Colonials but Hibbard only knew about such medals to the SALH, Kitchener's Horse and Rhodesia Regt. I can't add to that list.

The 10 clasp medal to Emerton is strictly invalid as Kaplan lists Transvaal along with battle clasps for the Transvaal. Would be interesting to see his medal.

Onwards and upwards!