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Re: QSAs with the clasp Wepener 4 years 10 months ago #7142

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QSAMIKE wrote: Good Morning Everyone.....

I was seriously looking at this Wepener but thought better of it.....

www.frontiermedals.com/index.php?main_pa...=2_7&products_id=392

Mike


Hello Mike

Make him an offer - he has had it for at least 12 months.

Good luck!

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Re: QSAs with the clasp Wepener 4 years 7 months ago #8632

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There is an intriguing QSA on offer at Dublin Medals. Intriguing because of the combination with the Wepener clasps. I haven't looked into the recipient's records as yet.

CORPORAL E. JONES, KITCHENER'S FIGHTING SCOUTS (LATE KAFFRARIAN RIFLES). Queen's South Africa Medal, 7 clasps, Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Wepener, Transvaal, Diamon
d Hill, Wittebergen, South Africa 1901 (officially impressed: 368 CPL: E. JONES. KITCHENER'S F.S.).

Pawnbroker's code lightly scratched in obverse field in front of bust, otherwise Almost Extremely Fine and the Wepener clasp very rare on a medal named to Kitchener's Fighting Scouts.

Medal accompanied by copy medal rolls and copy Attestation Form for Kitchener's Fighting Scouts. Kaffrarian Rifles QSA medal roll confirms service initially as 1072 Private,
Kaffrarian Rifles, entitled Wepener, Wittebergen, Cape Colony and Transvaal clasps and notes Orange Free State clasp had been deleted from this roll because it had previously been issued off the roll for Kitchener's Fighting Scouts, and confirming that Jones had already been issued with the Diamond Hill clasp, although there is no note as to which roll that particular clasp was issued off. Roll for 2nd Kitchener's Fighting Scouts confirms service as 368 Corporal, entitled SA 1901 clasp and notes that recipient had previously seen service with the Kaffrarian Rifles.

Interestingly, one of the QSA roll for 2nd Kitchener's Fighting Scouts lists Privates 367 Harry Jones, 369 John Jones and 370 Hugh Jones (but no 368 Ernest Jones on this particular roll, Ernest Jones being listed separately on a different roll). The four were presumably brothers who enlisted together into the 2nd Kitchener's Fighting Scouts.
Ernest Jones appears to have been one of the first recruits to Kitchener’s Fighting Scouts, enlisting at Durban on 1st December 1900, an initially being allocated regimental number 4. For some reason he subsequently re-enlisted and was given the regimental number 368 (the two battalions of Kitchener’s Fighting Scouts were raised in Cape Colony and Natal in December 1900).

QSA with Wepener clasp named to Kitchener's Fighting Scouts rare. British Battles and Medals records 8 Wepener clasps to the 2nd Battalion Kitchener's Fighting Scouts. Since the Defence of Wepener covered the period 9th - 25th April 1900, and both battalions of Kitchener's Fighting Scouts were not raised until December 1900, these 8 men must all have been men who transferred from the Kaffrarian Rifles or other units present at the defence.

Undoubtedly a unique combination of clasps to the Kaffrarian Rifles or Kitchener's Fighting Scouts.

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Re: QSAs with the clasp Wepener 4 years 7 months ago #8635

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Hello David,
Where does the Daimond Hill come from? I looked at this the other week for another member of this forum, I think the dealer has misinterpreted what he has seen on a particular roll page, then there was the matter of the OFS as well.
Regards Frank

djb wrote: There is an intriguing QSA on offer at Dublin Medals. Intriguing because of the combination with the Wepener clasps. I haven't looked into the recipient's records as yet.

CORPORAL E. JONES, KITCHENER'S FIGHTING SCOUTS (LATE KAFFRARIAN RIFLES). Queen's South Africa Medal, 7 clasps, Cape Colony, Orange Free State, Wepener, Transvaal, Diamon
d Hill, Wittebergen, South Africa 1901 (officially impressed: 368 CPL: E. JONES. KITCHENER'S F.S.).

Pawnbroker's code lightly scratched in obverse field in front of bust, otherwise Almost Extremely Fine and the Wepener clasp very rare on a medal named to Kitchener's Fighting Scouts.

Medal accompanied by copy medal rolls and copy Attestation Form for Kitchener's Fighting Scouts. Kaffrarian Rifles QSA medal roll confirms service initially as 1072 Private,
Kaffrarian Rifles, entitled Wepener, Wittebergen, Cape Colony and Transvaal clasps and notes Orange Free State clasp had been deleted from this roll because it had previously been issued off the roll for Kitchener's Fighting Scouts, and confirming that Jones had already been issued with the Diamond Hill clasp, although there is no note as to which roll that particular clasp was issued off. Roll for 2nd Kitchener's Fighting Scouts confirms service as 368 Corporal, entitled SA 1901 clasp and notes that recipient had previously seen service with the Kaffrarian Rifles.

Interestingly, one of the QSA roll for 2nd Kitchener's Fighting Scouts lists Privates 367 Harry Jones, 369 John Jones and 370 Hugh Jones (but no 368 Ernest Jones on this particular roll, Ernest Jones being listed separately on a different roll). The four were presumably brothers who enlisted together into the 2nd Kitchener's Fighting Scouts.
Ernest Jones appears to have been one of the first recruits to Kitchener’s Fighting Scouts, enlisting at Durban on 1st December 1900, an initially being allocated regimental number 4. For some reason he subsequently re-enlisted and was given the regimental number 368 (the two battalions of Kitchener’s Fighting Scouts were raised in Cape Colony and Natal in December 1900).

QSA with Wepener clasp named to Kitchener's Fighting Scouts rare. British Battles and Medals records 8 Wepener clasps to the 2nd Battalion Kitchener's Fighting Scouts. Since the Defence of Wepener covered the period 9th - 25th April 1900, and both battalions of Kitchener's Fighting Scouts were not raised until December 1900, these 8 men must all have been men who transferred from the Kaffrarian Rifles or other units present at the defence.

Undoubtedly a unique combination of clasps to the Kaffrarian Rifles or Kitchener's Fighting Scouts.

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Re: QSAs with the clasp Wepener 4 years 7 months ago #8647

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This is quickly becoming a "dusty medal".

I researched the clasps a while ago for The Register.

While it is "a unique combination of clasps" it is horribly wrong; should be

We,W,CC,T,SA01

Shame as the guy was missing-released Senekal 26-6-1900.

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Re: QSAs with the clasp Wepener 4 years 7 months ago #8648

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Hello Meurig,
Agreed, yet another fraud exposed, I shall sleep soundly tonight!
Regards Frank

SWB wrote: This is quickly becoming a "dusty medal".

I researched the clasps a while ago for The Register.

While it is "a unique combination of clasps" it is horribly wrong; should be

We,W,CC,T,SA01

Shame as the guy was missing-released Senekal 26-6-1900.

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Re: QSAs with the clasp Wepener 4 years 7 months ago #8649

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That's a shame. It was, on the face of it, a tempting proposition.

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