For a start, all the best for the New Year.
Now, re your 24561: in the pic with the bowler hat, yes I can see an MSM and LSGC on the end of the second row of his string of medals. Regarding the family pic, there has been a lot of studio "touching up" - especially to obtain a uniform tone on the faces of the subjects. Whatever process has been used, it has also interfered with the appearance of the ribbon bar. Thus, in the family pic, the first ribbon looks to me to be a QSA. To summarise, I think that the medals on the "bowler hat" pic are as I indicated earlier; QSA, KSA, trio, LSGC,MSM.
Perhaps my 24560 should have been subtitled "IL's Forlorn Hope"? (I should say that I am no PRU genius; however at work and up to the BIG R, I did undertake a lot of training in the interpretation of traffic pics for Court work).
Thank you so much for all your help with my query. Having now spoken to the surviving members of the family over Christmas I have discovered that there was a very serious family rift following my Grt Grandfathers death (1968). All the medals and their associated paperwork where in the "care" of the person who was the cause of this rift. There has been no communication with that branch of the family since.
All I have to go on now is the name of one of Fredeick's Johns other grandchildren and know that he was living in Milton Keynes (up to 2 years ago)! This could be like looking for a needle in a haystack and there is no guarantee that A. he knows anything about the medals or B. he would even be willing to talk to me assuming I can even find him. But he is the only lead I now have.
So I may have come to the end of this story - which is a great shame - but I really appreciate all the effort that you have all put in to this and for all the help you have given me.
I will keep trying to track these down and will certainly keep you posted.