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Frank, I wouldn't know of any man that served in all three but it would certainly be a possibility. I guess that the Marquess of Tullibardine, John George Stewart-Murray [later 8th Duke of Atholl] could claim "service" in all three through his roll as a commander in the field during the ABW and later as honorary colonel of the new post war SHs. And yes, the photo is of Transvaal Volunteers not IY.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Murray,_12th_Duke_of_Atholl

It may not be common knowledge that the Tullibardine link to South Africa continues to this day through the current Duke of Atholl, a South African born farmer in one of the subdivisions of the old Transvaal (see link above).

Brett

As does the link with the Transvaal Volunteers as the current Duke still serves as an officer in the Transvaal Scottish Regiment. His late father, the 11th Duke of Atholl was Patron-in-Chief of the Transvaal Scottish Regimental Association until his death in May 2012.

Brett Hendey wrote: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Murray,_12th_Duke_of_Atholl

It may not be common knowledge that the Tullibardine link to South Africa continues to this day through the current Duke of Atholl, a South African born farmer in one of the subdivisions of the old Transvaal (see link above).

Brett

Hi all,

most aspects seem to have been covered in this very interesting thread; the SH were raised in SA by the Marquis of Tullarbadine and volunteers were also raised in Scotland hence the joint claim to its founding. The 2 monuments were built in parallel.
After the ABW the SH were disbanded but later in 1902 The Scottish Horse were reconstituted as two regiments by the Duke of Atholl, one Scottish, one SA, both claiming descent from the original Scottish Horse.
In SA the the SH were again disbanded in 1907 in favour of the ILH as it was considered there were too many mounted regiments in the Transvaal. Out of this the Duke of Atholl formed the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers, the forerunners of the Transvaal Scottish Regiment.
The regimental tartan is the Atholl tartan whilst the pipers wear the Tullabadine tartan.
The Duke settled in SA only returning to Scotland to fulfill his duties as Duke of Atholl, amongst which was maintaining the Atholl Highlanders, the only private army in Britain.

Iain

iaindh wrote: Hi all,

In SA the the SH were again disbanded in 1907 in favour of the ILH as it was considered there were too many mounted regiments in the Transvaal. Out of this the Duke of Atholl formed the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers, the forerunners of the Transvaal Scottish Regiment.

The regimental tartan is the Atholl tartan whilst the pipers wear the Tullabadine tartan.
The Duke settled in SA only returning to Scotland to fulfill his duties as Duke of Atholl, amongst which was maintaining the Atholl Highlanders, the only private army in Britain.

Iain

Hi Lain, the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers were established as an infantry unit to support the Scottish Horse in 1902. They were already well established by the disbandment of the SH in 1907. See the photo of C & D Coys of the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers with C & D Squadrons of the [SA] SH at Frederickstad Camp in 1904. The Transvaal Scottish were awarded Natal 1906 battle honours for their service in the Natal Rangers during the 1906 Zulu uprising. The SH served as part of the Transvaal Mounted Rifles during the 1906 campaign. The Cycle Coy of the TSV would become the Transvaal Cycle & Motor Corps [later Rand Light Infantry] in 1905. The TSV were commanded by Lt Col Gordon Sandilands from 1902-1908. WOI Donald Macleary Macloed DCM was the first RSM (1902-1905 & 1908-1912). As Lt Col DM Macloed DSO MC DCM he commanded the TS Regiment from 1920-1923 and had commanded 4 SAI (SA Scottish) from July 1916 to the end of WWI where he went on to command 2Bn Hampshire Regt during Archangel in support of the White Russians before returning to South Africa in 1920 where he took over command of the TS Regiment. The TSV became the TS Regiment in 1913.

Cheers,

Mark

Hi Mark,

many thanks for filling in all the gaps and for the pocket history of the early years of the TS. I dont know where you got your information from but I find it very difficult to fill in a lot of the missing pieces as accounts seem to vary and I was doing it from memory.
Sorry for my own inaccuracies.

Incidentally my name is Iain as in the Gaelic spelling of Ian.

regards

Mark Wilkie wrote:

iaindh wrote:
Iain

Hi Lain, the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers were established as an infantry unit to support the Scottish Horse in 1902. They were already well established by the disbandment of the SH in 1907. See the photo of C & D Coys of the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers with C & D Squadrons of the [SA] SH at Frederickstad Camp in 1904. The Transvaal Scottish were awarded Natal 1906 battle honours for their service in the Natal Rangers during the 1906 Zulu uprising. The SH served as part of the Transvaal Mounted Rifles during the 1906 campaign. The Cycle Coy of the TSV would become the Transvaal Cycle & Motor Corps [later Rand Light Infantry] in 1905. The TSV were commanded by Lt Col Gordon Sandilands from 1902-1908. WOI Donald Macleary Macloed DCM was the first RSM (1902-1905 & 1908-1912). As Lt Col DM Macloed DSO MC DCM he commanded the TS Regiment from 1920-1923 and had commanded 4 SAI (SA Scottish) from July 1916 to the end of WWI where he went on to command 2Bn Hampshire Regt during Archangel in support of the White Russians before returning to South Africa in 1920 where he took over command of the TS Regiment. The TSV became the TS Regiment in 1913.

Cheers,

Mark