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Too true IL

I also scooped the SAC QSA to Blake and the, hopefully, related SAP long service medal to the same name. Research on its way to me as I write

I was astounded that the Waugh Natal Police group only fetched lower estimate. Had I have suspected that would be the case.......

Regards

Rory

Hello Henk,
These medals are rare and I think the same can be said of other Natal corps to an extent, but, I still think with all things Natal, you really do have to be in the right place at the right moment in time, I have never found them easy, in fact I'd have said life was actually easier before the internet, which really should not be the case, things were certainly more affordable!
Regards Frank

OSAKSA wrote: Hi Brett and Others

Slightly off-topic, nut I have the QSA to Tpr A Bowman named to Murray's Scouts. It took me almost 30 years of QSA "Unit Collecting" before I bought that locally in 2001 against stiff competition at a then very hefty price of almost R4400 !!

Henk

Henk

Many thanks for the information about your Murray's Scout QSA. I am pleased that yours was also a hard-to-find medal, which tends to confirm my impression that medals named to Murray's Scouts are rare. I feel privileged that my collection will have something special in it that is shared by you!

Regards
Brett

Brett,

I share your liking of Murray's Horse. I used to have the QSA (1) Natal to Troop Leader Herbert.

DNW have sold 3 QSAs to Murray's Horse, all QSA (1) Natal:

Tpr C Westbrooke. April 2004 £150
Tpr B Westall. Mar 2008 £230
Tpr Ldr C H Herbert. Mar 2011 £370

That's an average of one every 4 years or so!

Here is a Pareto analysis of the single QSAs in the City Coins 65 auction, ie the 33 lots between 95 and 127.

The analysis shows that 19 (58%) of the lots sold for more than their top estimate and 14 (42%) below their top estimate.

The difference between the top estimate and the actual price ranged from +109% to -33%. The average was +13%.

I have added a column to convert the hammer prices into Sterling based on the exchange rate on 15 Aug. It is not often you see QSAs sell for less than £100 these days. 15 (45%) of the 33 QSAs had a hammer price of less than £100.



Lot Description Top Est (R) Actual (R) Diff Actual (£)
115 QSA (3) CC, OFS, SA'01 3 Serjt: W. Deal Rundle's Scouts 1200 2503 Above 109% 143
122 QSA (5) RoM, DoK, OFS, Tvl, SA'01 (last loose) 426 Pte H. Coles Kimberley Vol. Regt 4800 9460 Above 97% 541
127 QSA (7) Belm, MR, Paard, Jhb, DH, Belf, SA'01 777 Pte M. Kilkenny Scots. Gds. 3000 5100 Above 70% 291
123 QSA (5) Elands, TugH, RoL, Tvl, LN 207 Gnr: A.E. Hurford Natal F. Arty 4500 7510 Above 67% 429
111 QSA (2) RoL, CC 2564 PteJ. Arnold Middlesex Regt 2500 3861 Above 54% 221
112 QSA (2) DoL, Belf 5688 PteF.E. Martin Rifle Brigade 2000 2981 Above 49% 170
101 QSA (0) E.R. Hann Sgt. R.M.L.I. H.M.S. Doris 3200 4675 Above 46% 267
100 QSA (0) 1120 Pte H. Wilson Pt. Elizabeth T.G. 1200 1650 Above 38% 94
125 QSA (5) RoM, Tug H, OFS, RoL, Tvl 2945 Pte D. Jones 2:R. Scots Fus: 8000 11000 Above 38% 629
119 QSA (4) Rhod, RoM, OFS, Tvl 268 Tpr. H. Byles B.S.A. Police 5500 7000 Above 27% 400
95 QSA (0) Bronze. - Robert Jobson 10000 12500 Above 25% 714
116 QSA (3) CC, RoL, SA'01 423 Serjt. G.T. Hopkins S.A. Lt. Horse 4000 4961 Above 24% 283
114 QSA (3) CC, OFS, Tvl 8358 Sapper A. Cuzens RE Vols 1200 1441 Above 20% 82
121 QSA (5) CC, OFS, Jhb, Belf, SA'01 2924 Pte. J. Quinlivan 6/Dgns. 1800 2052 Above 14% 117
126 QSA (5) CC, OFS, Tvl, SA'02, SA'01 906 3rdCl.: Tpr: J. Blake S.A.C. 1500 1600 Above 7% 91
98 QSA (0) Capt.: & Adjt: W.H. Biggs Fingo Levies 4000 4180 Above 5% 239
99 QSA (0) 120 Pte J.E. Thomas New England M.R. 1600 1650 Above 3% 94
104 QSA (1) Tvl 7112 PteT. Ritchie Gordon Highrs: M.I 2000 2035 Above 2% 116
105 QSA (1) DoK Pte C.A. Pearson Kimberley Town Gd. 4000 4054 Above 1% 232
102 QSA (1) CC 34 Gnr: T. Casey Cape G.A. 1500 1375 Below -8% 79
103 QSA (1) CC 287 Serjt. J. Backlin D. of E. Own V.R. 1500 1375 Below -8% 79
120 QSA (4) CC, OFS, Tvl, SA'01 1704 Pte C.W. Reinhold Rly. PNR Regt 1500 1375 Below -8% 79
113 QSA (2) CC, SA'01, SA'02 Mr. J.R. Schroder 1800 1595 Below -11% 91
97 QSA (0) Pte T.G. Grier Cradock T.G. 1500 1320 Below -12% 75
106 QSA (1) CC 477 PteR. Chadwick Rl.Wt. Surrey Regt 1200 1001 Below -17% 57
109 QSA (2) CC, OFS 4986 PteF. Smith 2nd E. Yorkshire Regt 1500 1210 Below -19% 69
110 QSA (2) CC, Tvl 13669 Corpl: W.G. Wheeler Imp: Yeo 1500 1210 Below -19% 69
117 QSA (4) CC, OFS, SA'01, SA'02 Civil Surgeon E.I. Day 4000 3200 Below -20% 183
108 QSA (2) CC, OFS Charles Jennings. Cook Van Alen 3600 2806 Below -22% 160
96 QSA (0) Conductor R. Vandermerwe 1800 1400 Below -22% 80
118 QSA (4) CC, Wepener, Witte, Belf 902 Tpr. C.E. Lansdown 2nd Brabant's Horse 8000 6100 Below -24% 349
124 QSA (5) CC, OFS, Tr, 01, 02 13527 L/C P.T. Eastman Paget's Horse Officially re-imp 2400 1676 Below -30% 96
107 QSA (1) CC 102 Tpr: G.M. Fehrsen W.Prov. M.R. 1500 1000 Below -33% 57

David

Thank you for the very interesting analysis of the prices realised for the single QSA's on the City Coins sale. I tried to make sense of the prices without any such analysis, and it seemed to me that, as always, there were anomalies and mysteries. I wonder to what extent the weak Rand against all the world's main currencies affects the prices? 100 GBP may seem a little in the UK, but it is a lot of SA Rand(about R1800 - it was once R200!)

It also seemed to me that the value of ABO's has appreciated considerably in Rand terms over the past few years. I wonder if there is more overseas interest in these medals?

Thank you also for the information on the recent sales of Murray's Horse QSA's. I think that such medals may appear slightly more frequently in SA. They are certainly a lot more common than Murray's Scouts medals. Adrian has very kindly copied the medal rolls for these two units for me, and I hope to do some analysis of them starting next week.

If anyone else has, or knows of medals from the Hon T K (later Sir Thomas Keir) Murray's private army, I would be very grateful to hear about them.

Regards
Brett